Non-US peeps: how much of an issue is money for gaming in your region??

非美帝人士之窺視：在你那里玩?zhèn)€游戲要花多少錢啊？

逛B站貼吧時看到的帖子，順便搜了下原貼水一下，感覺世界人民真的生活在水深火熱之中，G胖真是大救星，另外昨晚看了通靈妃荷蘭話版，感覺出不去了，開頭就來段我們這里荷蘭味的譯文吧。

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Suicide King
#1
So, I got a new job, which pays well, and live in Brazil. I own a PS4, a PS3, a Vita, a Wii, a broken 3DS and a Sega Saturn (not to mention the laptop and phone). I was willing to buy a Switch to start 2019 playing Smash, but goddamn is it expensive here. A brand new Switch with no games costs more than a PS4 Pro, ffs. The New 3DS, however, is half the price. I'm almost inclined to pick the New 3DS instead, just to play stuff I may have missed (SMT4 Apocalypse and Fire Emblem), but I still feel robbed.
Here in Brazil, some stuff is cheap, like Steam games, but buying a new console tends to be very heavy on the wallet. And with the Switch, even the games are expensive (double the price of a PS4 game). Maybe that's why there's so much piracy here.
For people who live outside of US and Canada, how much of an issue it is to buy new consoles, games or even PC parts? I always heard about people in Australia complaining, but I wanted to know more about other countries in Asia and Europe, mostly.

那啥呀我才找了個新活，就住在巴西，那工資可真不少。我現(xiàn)在有一個PS4和一個PS3，一個Vita和一個Wii，還有個壞了的3DS和一個Sega Saturn（更別說筆記本電腦和手機(jī)了）。我還準(zhǔn)備再買個Switch以在2019年玩任天堂大亂斗，但是他娘咧這賣咧才這么球貴嘞。沒裝游戲的新Switch賣咧敢比PS4貴那么多會中，NMSL。一個新3DS才要它的一半錢啊，要不是為了玩《真女神轉(zhuǎn)生4》和《火焰紋章》我就買3DS了，但我還是覺咧虧的狠啊。
在巴西像是G胖（票子）消消樂上游戲賣類還是可便宜，但是新游戲機(jī)啊賣咧那是死球黑，錢包受不了啊。就是用Switch那上的游戲也是貴死人（居然敢賣PS4游戲兩倍錢）。
估計這就是為啥俺們這這么多盜版吧。
想問一下美加兩國之外的兄弟們，恁買個新游戲機(jī)，新游戲或是新電腦要花多少錢啊？我經(jīng)常聽見澳村人擱那罵，所以想知道亞歐其他國家大家伙要花多少？

Hamster Plugin
#5
The biggest issue with game pricing in Europe (I'm in Finland) is that the RRP is really high for some reason at 70 for console games and 60 for PC games. But nobody is actually charging that, you easily find console games for 55-60 at retail and PC games (a bit uncommon now) for 45-50. This makes the prices at PSN and Xbox Live absolutely ridiculous and it's never worth buying digital games here.
The overpricing on digital PC games allows key sellers to do their thing even if there was a region lock in place. Not sure how many people buy retail PC games, but I did get a pre-order version of Doom 2016 on its 2nd day of release that came with a cacodemon stress toy. It cost me 48, the game would have been 60 on Steam.
PSN has very good sale events which is the main way to buy digital games. You can see it in Sony's monthly published charts where the top 20 has a lot of games that had a discount in that time period. I think game companies are a bit dumb training consumers to never buy full price games, but that's their problem - I'm just saving my money.

住在芬蘭的表示歐洲游戲價格最大問題在于其主機(jī)游戲因為某些原因達(dá)到70歐的零售價相對于電腦端的60歐實在過高，但是又沒人會掏這個錢，因為你很容易就能從零售買到55-60歐的主機(jī)游戲和45-50歐的電腦端游戲（現(xiàn)在不多見了）。這就導(dǎo)致PSN和Xbox Live價格虛高而無人問津。

即便是鎖區(qū)電腦端數(shù)字游戲價位過高也使鑰匙商采取措施，我不確定有多少人買了零售的電腦端游戲，但是《毀滅戰(zhàn)士2016》在發(fā)售的第二天我就得到了一份預(yù)購版還附贈一個cacodemon stress玩偶，這花了我48歐，而要是G胖的話他會收我60歐。

PSN的良好銷售成績主要在于購買數(shù)字游戲，你可以看索尼每月公布的圖表，每月銷售榜前20中大部分是折扣游戲，我雖然對游戲公司訓(xùn)練玩家不要購買全價游戲的舉動有些微詞，但那是他們自己的問題 — 我單純是為了省錢。?

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譯者注：1人民幣=0.1149英鎊

Takahashi
#10
—Elfotografoalocado said:
Here in Spain, (And this applies to the Eurozone in general) it's alright. It's not nearly as cheap as in the US but it's manageable. (Americans would have a heart attack at games being 70$, but thanks to 1=1$ according to the games industry that's what we have here, in fact the MSRP at launch of the Switch here was 329, which is equivalent to 376$)
IIRC, A thing sometimes people don't bring up when comparing price differences is that they usually evade the taxes. US taxes are different ith each county so they have MSRP, which is base price without taxes, so depending on the can can be very well above and usually kinda pars with the european prices. Most of the online shops usually dispatch from tax havens.

—謝邀，坐標(biāo)西班牙（屬歐元區(qū)普遍水平），所以有把握回答。這里價格沒美利堅便宜但還在可承受范圍內(nèi)（在美利堅游戲有著讓人心肺停止的70美元售價，但要感謝我們這實行的是游戲產(chǎn)業(yè)1歐=1刀的規(guī)矩，因此Switch發(fā)售的建議價為329歐......

我沒記錯的話，當(dāng)大家比較不同價位時總會忽略他們經(jīng)常逃稅這一點，美國每個縣稅收都不同因此有建議零售價這東西，這是不含稅的基本價格，根據(jù)這個既可以賣的很貴也可以和歐洲持平，大部分網(wǎng)店都是從避稅港發(fā)貨的。

Elfotografoalocado
#13
—Takahashi said:
IIRC, A thing sometimes people don't bring up when comparing price differences is that they usually evade the taxes. US taxes are different ith each county so they have MSRP, which is base price without taxes, so depending on the can can be very well above and usually kinda pars with the european prices. Most of the online shops usually dispatch from tax havens.
Afaik, sales taxes in the US are generally much lower than in the EU, so while the comparison is not completely accurate, there is a degree of truth to it. I just calculated it with the Switch, with no sales tax it would still be 310 USD, and I doubt any US county has a 21% sales tax.

—我沒記錯的話，當(dāng)大家比較不同價位時總會忽略他們經(jīng)常逃稅這一點，美國每個縣稅收都不同因此有建議零售價這東西，這是不含稅的基本價格......
就我所知美國銷售稅通常比歐盟低，所以盡管這個比較不夠精確也能反映部分事實，我只算了Switch，但即使是無稅價格這玩意也要賣310美元，我可不覺得哪個美國縣有21％的銷售稅。

Ge0force
#14
Digital console games are rather expensive here in mainland Europe; most AAA games are 70 (more than $80) on PSN and Xbox Live. Retail games are usually sold for 10 less, which really makes no sense.?
PC games are cheaper: between 49.99 and 59.99 for brand new AAA games on Steam, uPlay, Origin and B.net. And these games can be found even cheaper in 3rd party keystores.?
The only exception is the Windows Store, where Play Anywhere games are 69.99 because of parity with consoles. Microsoft also doesn't allow key reselling.

歐洲大陸主機(jī)游戲賣的有些貴，PSN和Xbox Live上大部分3A大作要70歐（超過80刀），零售店則要低10歐，真心無意義啊。電腦端更便宜，新發(fā)布的3A大作在Steam，uPlay，Origin和B.net上也就是49.99歐和59.99歐之間，至于第三方鑰匙商店這就更便宜了。
唯一的例外是Windows商店，游戲都是69.99歐，因為他們與主機(jī)平級而且微軟不允許轉(zhuǎn)售鑰匙。

Novocaine
#18
It’s not all that bad in Australia after currency conversion really. In on big release games if you’re buying retail you can get them pretty cheap if you buy in the first week or so.

經(jīng)過外匯轉(zhuǎn)換后在澳村這不全是壞事，在發(fā)售第一周左右于零售店買該大作時會非常便宜。

EdwardTheHuman
#19
Here in the Philippines, Steam games are really cheap thanks to regional pricing!

感謝區(qū)域定價，在菲律賓steam游戲真的很便宜！

Roy Mastang
#20
Try live in Greece with average wage of 500 a month while games cost 70 at launch?
Hint: you can't

希臘月平均工資是500歐，而游戲要花70歐，所以還是洗洗睡吧。

Xiaomi
#23
—Blade Wolf said:
but the average salary in Taiwan is much lower than the US though.
Yes, that is true. Most young people earn less than $800 US a month, so it's pretty expensive if you consider that.

—可是灣灣平均工資低于美國。
沒錯，大部分年輕人一個月都掙不到800美刀，所以想想真是貴。

Blade Wolf
#24
—Xiaomi said:
Yes, that is true. Most young people earn less than $800 US a month, so it's pretty expensive if you consider that.
In my previous job I earn about $833 US per month, and that's with my English skills, being a millennial in Taiwan absolutely sucks. Everyone is underpaid, engineer, teacher, salesman, texi driver...all of them.

—沒錯，大部分年輕人一個月都掙不到800美刀，所以想想真是貴。
我目前的職業(yè)月薪是833刀，這還是靠我的英語能力，在灣灣作為千禧一代真心悲劇，不管是當(dāng)工程師，教師，銷售員，出租車司機(jī)...干什么工資都低。

Raster
#29
It's shitty in Romania, I had to shell out 70 euros for 5mash and that's just ridiculous.

在羅馬尼亞這事就是悲劇，踏馬的買個大亂斗我要掏70歐元，人干事。

BoxManLocke
#30
Buying games at launch in Europe is fine as long as you don't buy digital or at Gamestop equivalents.
Most online stores and big general stores tend to sell way below MSRP nowadays on day one. You can get most new games for around 50 (MSRP is 69.99 which is a big nope).

購買歐洲發(fā)售的游戲只要不在線上和游戲站買價格都還行。
大部分網(wǎng)店和大店里發(fā)售第一天價格會低于建議價格，大部分新游戲你花上50歐就能買到（建議價69.99歐毫無卵用。）

譯者注：1人民幣=4.4925新臺幣

Blade Wolf
#35
—Xiaomi said:
Yep. My engineer friends are pulling in 40k US a year when the same jobs would net them 100k+ in the right US cities. I make a foreigner's salary at an international school which is high compared to local salaries, but low compared to what I'd be paid at even some public schools in the West, or even at some of the American schools in Taipei where foreigners can make over $6000 US a month (!).
It's enough to live comfortably if you live cheaply, though. I've got a cheap apartment ($12000 NT/month for a 3-bedroom in southern Taiwan), eat local food ($600 NT a week or less), and take public transportation ($40 NT for a round-trip on the train) so I don't do too badly. If I had to live on a local salary I'd be scraping by, however.
I am thinking about moving to the US, to be honest with you.

—沒錯我的工程師朋友在美國一年40K，同樣的職業(yè)一些美國城市年薪在100K以上，我在一所國際學(xué)校工作，工資比當(dāng)?shù)厮礁?，但比起西方的公立學(xué)校，甚至是和臺北的一些美國學(xué)校那些老外們一月6000刀（！）以上比，我就是個渣渣......
說老實話我在考慮搬去美國。

ridaxan
#36
In South Africa things are a bit of a mixed bag.?
On the digital front Steam, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo all run "in-currency" stores. However, it's all over the place in terms of "standards". Quick example of MK11 and DMC5 :?

在南非事情有些復(fù)雜。
諸如G胖剁手寶，罪惡滔天索尼，微軟和任地獄都有自己的平臺，當(dāng)然了他們各自的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)也是無處不在，就像是真人快打11和鬼泣5價格如下：

At retail, $60 releases generally retail for about R1000 over here which is closer to $70. Keep in mind that the minimum wage is $1.58 per hour (or R20).?
I'm fortunate that my education was "okay" enough (I didn't go to university) to allow me to have a good enough career that can support "expensive" hobbies such as videogames.

在零售店60刀的游戲大概賣1000蘭特也就是近70刀，要注意這里最低工資是每小時1.58刀（或20蘭特）。
幸運的是我所受的教育水平（沒上過大學(xué)）讓我找到一份足夠好的工作來維持像電子游戲之類的“奢侈”愛好。

譯者注：1人民幣=2.1033南非蘭特

譯者注：1人民幣=0.9522丹麥克朗

heklu
#40
I live in Hamburg, Germany and the prices are basically the same. Game prices are pretty much the same (+/- 10) as well as consoles (+/- 40)

住在德國漢堡的表示價格差不多，游戲價格差異在10歐左右，主機(jī)價格差異在40歐左右。

Elven_Star
#41
In Iran, the average income is ~$300 per month, but the games cost the same $60. We can use the Russian store for Steam, but as for the console games... it's not pretty.

伊朗的月平均收入是300美元，但是游戲要賣60美刀，我們能用steam俄區(qū)店買游戲，至于主機(jī)游戲...有夢就好洗洗睡吧。

Darkkahn
#42
Here in Iran it's pretty horrendous, haven't bought a sealed PS4 game in ages.

在伊朗的話這是高難度任務(wù)，很久沒買過PS4游戲了。

Rosebud
#43
I also live in Brazil, it's a big problem :P

同巴西老鐵，這真的是個大問題啊。

譯者注：1人民幣=15.6461日元

Mhj
#50
—The Doomed One said:
I buy games digitally on my US account, as they are generally about 15-20% cheaper than EU online or retail prices. Same as my PS+ account.
I buy my hardware in country, though, as all retailers sell it on 12 interest-free installments.
I’m in EU as well. Can I buy games from US store instead?

—我買游戲一般用我的美國賬戶，它能比歐洲網(wǎng)購和零售店便宜大約15-20%，PS+賬號同理。
至于設(shè)備那是在本國購買，當(dāng)然啦所有零售商都是靠12期......
老司機(jī)帶帶我，我也在歐洲啊，這么秀的操作我行不行啊。

tyfon
#51
Here in Norway I pay almost exactly 60 for a new game (about $70) and I just bought a second psvr headset for 170 so it's not that bad. With the salaries here at least I have almost no money concern when buying games.

挪威人表示買個新游戲差不多60歐（差不多70美刀），想想我買個二手psvr耳機(jī)還要170歐所以還能接受，這里的工資水平讓我這樣搞沒什么壓力。

這個鳥地方什么都要貴個4倍。

StereoVSN
#59
—Xiaomi said:
In Taiwan console games and software/steam prices are slightly cheaper than in the US, but PC parts and console hardware are just as expensive if not moreso (despite many components being manufactured here).
Wait, PC parts are more expensive in Taiwan vs US? That's just weird. Is that because of taxes?
I would have thought parts like motherboard and RAM at least would have been cheaper.

—在灣灣主機(jī)游戲和software/steam游戲價格要比美國稍低，但是即便大部分零件在這里生產(chǎn)這里賣的電腦和主機(jī)還是一樣貴
等等電腦配件比美國還貴？太扯淡了是因為稅收原因嗎？我還以為在那里至少主板和存儲器會更便宜。

Pyro
#60
I’m a poor college student so I got my PS4 & 3DS thanks to a summer job I did before I started school. Basically GameFly (a mail video game rental business I’m not sure exists outside the US) is a godsend for me.

我是個貧窮的大學(xué)生，還好開學(xué)前我靠打暑假工買到了PS4和3DS?；旧螱ameFly（電子游戲租賃業(yè)的龍頭，我不知道美國外有沒有）是我的救星。

audisio
#61
Hearing your stories make me
Feel so rich. Man, I should be more
Greateful about my life choices.

聽到你們的故事讓我感覺瞬間變成了有錢人，兄弟們我很感激我的人生抉擇。

eXistor
#62
Not an issue in the Netherlands; we get the same deals as almost everywhere in the world it seems.

在荷蘭這不是問題，我們和世界其他地方價位相同。

W. L. Saga
#64
—Nothere said:
Brasil also... 1 US$ = 4 Rs$
national minimum wage, 250 US$.
Gaming here means a lot of sacrifices.
This is really it. I barely earn US$ 300 a month, so I can't justify buying anything gaming-related since 2017. Bilis and food eat it up, and by the 15th the month already ended.
Games with "ultimate editions" normally go up to 100+ dollars, also. On Steam.
And because Rio is a touristic destination, housing and living costs are fucking high.

—巴西也是如此...1刀=4雷亞爾
而國家最低工資是250刀，因此想玩游戲要做出很大犧牲。
沒錯，我每月賺300美元，這個月15號前Bilis（這是什么不懂(⊙_⊙)?）和食物就清空了錢包。
steam上冠上“終極版”的游戲一般也會賣到100美元以上。
因為里約是個旅游勝地，因此這里的生活消費真他涼的高。

Eriol
#66
Chilean here, the cost of the consoles now are better than launch, for example a Nintendo switch its now around 375usd, at launch was over 500usd, you can find a ps4 slim around 290usd, for a launch AAA game, you pay around 65 bucks, all of this with taxes included, so isnt that bad, but the minimun income here its also low, around 414usd, so its like in most of the world, a luxury.

智利人在此，現(xiàn)在主機(jī)比剛出來時便宜很多，比方說任天堂的switch現(xiàn)在375刀，剛出來時是500刀，你還能買到290刀的PS4，至于發(fā)售的3A游戲是65刀左右（含稅），所以還行吧，只是414刀的最低工資水平揭示了這還是和世界上大部分人一樣屬于奢侈行為。

Potterson
#68
In Poland we get 1$ = 1 euro and 1 euro is around 4,5 PLN for us.
Average salary is around 2,5-3K outside the good jobs in the biggest cities (then idk how much people earn, like 10k maybe?). But me and majority of my friends earn around 2-2,5 K PLN per month.
So an AAA game costs 230-240 PLN. For some people one video game is 1/8 of their salary. And there are people who earn less than 2K.

在波蘭還是1美元算1歐的政策，而1歐差不多是4或5茲羅提。大城市的好工作能賺上大概2500-3000（我不知道一般人多少，估計1000？），但我和我的大部分朋友每月薪水在2000-2500茲羅提。
一個3A游戲賣230-420茲羅提，所以這是一些人工資的八分之一，而這里的人們賺不到2000。

譯者注：1人民幣=0.5495波蘭茲羅提

The Doomed One?
#77
Of course.
Create a new US account. When it asked me for address, I just googled a random hotel in Dover Delaware. Delaware has no sales tax (I'm sure there are other states like that, this is the one I used). Of course, use a different e-mail than your original, that's simple.
In order to add funds, I go to pcgamesupply.com, they are very reliable, accept Paypal and send the code in minutes.
Since all accounts on one console share the games, you can use your original account to play if you care about trophies and such. I use my US account for everything, it's my main one with PS+ on it.
Depending on the exchange rate, new games come out to about 50, and frequent sales drop the prices down quite a bit.
I also have a Canadian account back from the days when they had same dollar amounts for prices, that was even better, but they changed it a few years ago (increased Canadian prices).

當(dāng)然行啊
首先創(chuàng)建個美國賬號，在問你要地址時，我是隨便搜了個特拉華州多佛港的旅店，特拉華州沒有銷售稅（反正我用過所以清楚），而且記住要換個不一樣的郵箱，這也不難。
當(dāng)要付款時，我就點這個網(wǎng)址，他們很可靠并允許Paypal付款幾分鐘就給你發(fā)回密碼。
自從主機(jī)上所有賬號通用后，如果你想要得到獎?wù)轮惖哪憧梢杂媚阍瓉淼馁~號玩。我干什么都用我的美國賬號，這是我在PS等上面的主號。
而根據(jù)匯率變動情況，新游戲一般在50歐左右，而大賣后還會降價不少。
在加美幣值相同時我還搞了個加拿大賬號，那樣更便宜，可是幾年前就沒有這種好日子了。（加方價格還上升了）

—Mhj
#79
The Doomed One said:
Of course.
Create a new US account. When it asked me for address, I just googled a random hotel in Dover Delaware. Delaware has no sales tax (I'm sure there are other states like that, this is the one I used). Of course, use a different e-mail than your original, that's simple.
In order to add funds, I go to pcgamesupply.com, they are very reliable, accept Paypal and send the code in minutes.
Since all accounts on one console share the games, you can use your original account to play if you care about trophies and such. I use my US account for everything, it's my main one with PS+ on it.
Depending on the exchange rate, new games come out to about 50, and frequent sales drop the prices down quite a bit.
I also have a Canadian account back from the days when they had same dollar amounts for prices, that was even better, but they changed it a few years ago (increased Canadian prices).
Click to expand...Awesome, didn’t know this. Many thanks.

—當(dāng)然行啊
首先創(chuàng)建個美國賬號，在問你要地址時，我是隨便搜了個特拉華州多佛港的旅店，特拉華州沒有銷售稅（反正我用過所以清楚），而且記住要換個不一樣的郵箱，這也不難。
當(dāng)要付款時，我就點這個網(wǎng)址，他們很可靠并允許Paypal付款幾分鐘就給你發(fā)回密碼。
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老鐵666，這誰想得到啊，謝謝啊。

snail_maze
#81
Austria: PC hardware is prob more expensive than in the US but it's becoming ok again after the whole mining craze. PC games are fairly cheap thanks to digital stores, you can usually find games at launch at the 40-45 range at least. All in all I'm pretty happy with it

在奧地利：問題在于電腦配件比美國貴，這都是因為之前的采礦熱。電腦游戲由于有數(shù)字商店所以便宜，最起碼能買到40-45歐的游戲，總之我很滿意。
看完后默默看了看我那沒有買一個游戲的steam賬號，淚 流 了 下 來。